ACAUSAL BEINGS. And this is a serious question or rather musing. Sinister tradition teaches about the acausal beings who can manifest themselves and their energies in the causal. They are Sinister and chaotic. But I wonder this – does this theory or experience leave open the possibility that some acausal beings are ‘good’ … albeit admitting that Myatt is quite clear that the acausal is a realm where good and evil are meaningless.. But if so how can the acausal beings be seen as Dark?
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Salim Sogiv Because the current sytem views them as “Dark” due to the qualities they represent because They are being explained through a specific lens for the new initiate. -
Humberto Ulfhednar I think it’s because of the energies are chaotic and predatoriais.
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Matt Dalton Wilbourn ‘Good’ and ‘evil’ are causal abstractions and as such distort our perception of acausality, so perhaps some can be seen as ‘good’ but not without losing sight of their physis. Acausal beings are ‘dark’ in the sense that they lay hidden from ordinary perception, but that does not mean that they are all actually beings of darkness. Lucifer, for instance, is often experienced as a brilliant entity of light and comfort. Angels are also very light-oriented beings. The demons of the Goetia run the gamut, light, dark, benevolent, malevolent, and everything in between. -
Kevin Rockhill If you work with the idea of non dualism, concepts like good and evil become meaningless. -
Salim Sogiv Besides ‘Dark’ attracts more specific flies than ‘Light’ does.
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Salim Sogiv Beginners do not work from that perspective. The writings are for beginners so they use certain terms. Now, at some point, certain ones move past it but by then the writings are not necessary anyways.
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Vovin Malpirg For sometime it hasn’t been explained to me what is acausal and causal. ..would this group mind letting me know what are these terms. So I can understand them. Would appreciate it greatly! -
Andras Snakeboy Basically causal is this reality. The acausal is the Satanic dimension outside our space time. I can point you to all the materials on acausal theory and how the acausal is made manifest by rites. There are some brilliant writings outside Myatt’s – I do that tomorrow. Some members here know a lot more than me -
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Andras Snakeboy For now. Sorry it is side on.
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Andras Snakeboy Acausal theory is endlessly interesting. Hence ONA is not really about Satan (he is there tho) but about the Dark Gods – and about concepts and energies that go far beyond labels
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Ivan Grozny I do not believe in dark gods (aliens) which are dark due to their cosmic unconsciousness. Until I meet them. Ffs. I may as well believe in Jesus. Seriously though I really want to meet baphomet. Or serve her some bodies or something..mnn -
Matt Dalton Wilbourn >There is the causal universe, governed by the laws of science, and the acausal universe, governed by a set of laws not yet scientifically delineated.
>The causal universe exists independently of our consciousness and can thus be known by way of the five physical senses; the acausal universe intersects with our consciousness and thus can be known by way of personal experience and empathy.
>The causal universe is governed by the laws of time and space and linear cause and effect. The acausal universe is beyond time and space and linear cause and effect, and as such acausal energy can produce change in the causal universe that is not limited by time and space; in other, less accurate terms, the miraculous belongs to the acausal.Any questions?
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Ivan Grozny I think some folks go a bit far with this ascausal shit.
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Andras Snakeboy A few ONA have elaborated ideas about how quantum physics confirms acausal theory
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Ivan Grozny Yea yea Matt. Love you homie
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Andras Snakeboy (Matt always sweeps in with a tidal wave of brilliance)
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Ivan Grozny Ok gotta go figure out how I’m gonna pay my rent. Just stopped in for a sec
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Andras Snakeboy Great Satanic women hold the Essence of Baphomet. I know this. But what little old me wants to understand is HOW ACAUSAL ENERGY ANIMATES US!! As explained in Grimoire of Baphomet
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Ivan Grozny I ask Christians what is a souls color and weight…..we just may never know.
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Ivan Grozny Oh yea…lightning blue and weighs a couple grams.
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Aulywnd Caeleth “A few ONA have elaborated ideas about how quantum physics confirms acausal theory”I would enjoy seeing what this idiocy entails.
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Matt Dalton Wilbourn If you look at living beings, they defy the laws of physics in that they move and change without any external force acting upon them. That is, their change is inherent within them; they act without causation; and thus, presence acausal change. The greater the levels of acausal energy within an organism, the greater its order and complexity. When an organism ceases to live, its acausal energy dissipates and its change is no longer inherent within it; that is, it can no longer act and change without some external force acting upon it.
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Aulywnd Caeleth Unless certain measures are taken during one’s causal life.
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Matt Dalton Wilbourn Exactly–and thus is the aim of internal alchemical change: to solidify one’s acausal form so that the consciousness, the ‘soul’, may continue to operate once this causal meat puppet can no longer function.
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Ivan Grozny In no mine Satanis. I hope this is all true…although it would still be worth all the experience.
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John Hope What you said about good and evil being meaningless Andras is interesting, it’s difficult to comprehend or even begin to grasp a consciousness without a physical presence (Earthly dimensional presence). A friend once told me an analogy that entities are like scientists with a rat, they don’t cause pain or suffering through emotional need or urges. And yet they act so callously through wanting to understand and examine us Human creatures who DO have a body and a Earthly grounding. They really are beyond Human perception of good & evil (Dark et al), closest you could come would be to see them as computer programmed, they just arrange themselves to each thing. -
Ivan Grozny This is why^^^^ if they do exist I expect them to have telepathy, and pardon my humanity.
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John Hope Ivan exactly! True, of course a Being of this nature is capable of telepathy, as well as many other things, but if you look at the Hebrew scriptures the one thing they can’t do is materialise into Earthly solid form, if you believe in all that, Jehovah kind of said enough is enough old chap, you can’t fuck the women of Earth stick to where you belong. They can as we all know just manipulate natural process to make manifestations or emanations.
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John Hope We all like to know the origin of the words we use in our modern language, it’s interesting stuff, so when someone says ”Soul” ? Isn’t the farthest you can trace that word to Greek word psy·kheʹ? which only ever meant the LIFE of an animal or Human. We undoubtedly have energy Qi etc, but think carefully bros about whether or not the soul is a real thing. I’m sure the soul is just the body, nothing conscious after death. But it’s all highly debatable I know, very interesting too!
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Kevin Rockhill An interesting idea, though is there any objective evidence that consciousness can survive the death of the physical body? The idea is appealing but without evidence is it not just another spiritual pipe dream.
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Laina Reiver Personally, I can work with the Acausal paradigm, its the Acausal Beings where I grumble, as it implies either the whole “Lands of the Dark Immortals” thing of 7th Sphere continuance, or perhaps some pre-existing “spook” beings who possess external motive.
…suspiciousness abounds!Hope folks add more to this thread though! smile emoticon
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Neo Apollotan …as odd as this may sound….it takes time first to get used to the idea of “the acausal” what it is (and isn’t) and then eventually, under the right circumstances to interact with it on its terms (not your usual senses). as with anything… You can eventually gain experience and delve further… I’ve “seen” acausal forces…. They’ve communicated concepts to me…. And over time I’ve learned to identify how they slither into the cracks of everyday causal life…. Some are terrifying, some helpful, etc…Call me crazy…. But that’s the truth. -
Laina Reiver Personally, I came to ONA/Cliology etc from a Jung/Heidegger stance, so struggle with any knowing of external elements prior to one first having dissolved the haze of archetypal/existential spaghetti that exists between the causal and acausal – something which can take a lifetime.
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Neo Apollotan … One of the more interesting, and difficult things I’ve learned about “internal” exploration is that reading only gets you so far….there is real, hard, work involved with first understanding things like archetypes… And then seeing the, in a non-jungian manner (eg acausal entibies are not archetypes to me, neither is Satan). Also, to understand your own psychological geometry and landscape…. And then to tear it down…. Real exploration requires this…. And it’s not for kids.
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Vovin Malpirg Let me try my best to understand this…I am the Causal and when I’m interacting with SATAN as The Diety and speak in meditation or trance with the Demons that’s Acausal. When I manifest my will I’m utilizing my Causal self with the Acausal realms. Making my own being inside me changing within the Causal plane utilizing the Acausal influences. ..does that make any sense …
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Neo Apollotan Vovin Malpirg I’m not sure I follow….there is some need to first intellectually understand the difference between acausal and causal dimensions as well as how they are manifested in and through you….. This depends on your own unique characteristics…. And only you can really figure it out.
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Neo Apollotan The idea is that once you do figure it out, you can tap into or draw from the Acausal in a purposed manner in various ways through various channels.
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Laina Reiver Yep, the only way to realistically engage with (and strip away) an archetypal form is by living it, but like so much else, it is ultimately form, preconception etc.
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Neo Apollotan Good question, i don’t know the answer… But the onion analogy is true. I’ve been able to peel layers (causal programs if you will) off…some come back others not. Again, very challenging to purposely tinker with your psychology and go to work on Monday. But again, this is only part of the game… Once you realize. You have all these layers of programming… And finally you learn to peel them off… What next? At this point regular life seems really blasé.
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Vovin Malpirg This has been the first time I’ve used these terms …not sounding naive. ..just doing my best explain it from my own personal experience on how I felt those terms applied with myself.
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Neo Apollotan That’s cool, the files in the group have lots of material and you’ll then find more.
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Vovin Malpirg Thank you for at least bearing with me….just doing my best to explain and understand with the terms that I’m now learning to understand the meaning ov. .so Thank you !
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Andras Snakeboy If you can’t find a glossary Vovin then let me know and I will track it down. I heartily recommend this too
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Andras Snakeboy Interesting John never heard of that
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Andras Snakeboy For anyone interested:
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Andras Snakeboy If you didn’t know John, 2001: A Space Odyssey and Star Trek were major influences on David Myatt who was once obsessed with emulating Mr Spock. I also believe the ONA mythos was also heavily influenced by the TV sci fi mini series Babylon 5. And why not.
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Andras Snakeboy The whole concept of Star Gates derives initially from Myatt going to see 2001 at the cinema, but is developed with authenticity as it was fleshed out with a sound knowledge of occult tradition, and history and literature and philosophy in general
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Aulywnd Caeleth Only direct experience can help one understand truly. Speaking from personal experience, the old adage ‘by their scents shall ye know them’ applies, particulalry in regard to the ‘female’ Ones.
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Neo Apollotan Andras Snakeboy thanks for the link. I’ll read. I had the impression that AL was heavily influenced by Jung. Though the use of the terminology is different, there are many similarity as well. See jungs Synchronicity with AL’s Urantia paper.
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Andras Snakeboy This thread has become too rich to absorb quickly but I would ask: does the ONA theory of the acausal rule out Angels (I bloody hope so!)
Invisible Empire of the New Aeon 